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	<title>Comments on: The sincerest form of flattery, perhaps</title>
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		<title>By: Phyllis MacCameron</title>
		<link>http://bookworm.pilcrow.biz/2007/07/24/the-sincerest-form-of-flattery-perhaps/comment-page-1/#comment-165394</link>
		<dc:creator>Phyllis MacCameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 00:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m relieved, too, to hear that there is any discussion of this out there in the world.  It has bothered and intrigued me from time to time for years! 

I don&#039;t know what to think, especially since Irving has lived in Toronto,and the subject must have come up in Canadian circles.  It is curious that the parallels between the two books are not more widely discussed; the Wikipedia article, for example, cites other influences for Owen Meany but not that one. Clearly there has been no scandal.  Since Irving&#039;s book was published long before Davies&#039; death, it seems logical to infer that the borrowing was benign, perhaps homage or perhaps in a &quot;watch me do this!&quot; vein that seems consistent with Irving&#039;s literary acrobatics and might not have been at all disturbing to Davies. I found in some brief online research that Irving listed _The Fifth Business_ among his top ten books. There may be some information that we do not know about a connection between the two authors.

Stoppard&#039;s debt to Shakespeare is to my mind quite different even if Irving&#039;s borrowing is to be considered benign. Like Leonard Bernstein with _West Side Story_, and Jane Smiley with _A Thousand Acres_, Stoppard is using material that is so entirely well known as to be instantly recognizable.  The potential problem with the Irving/Davies thing is that Davies&#039; book is not known by absolutely everybody the way Shakespeare&#039;s plays are.  To students who are trying to figure out where the line between legitimate use and plagiarism lies, one might say simply that if half the world would catch your reference, it&#039;s not plagiarism; it&#039;s allusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m relieved, too, to hear that there is any discussion of this out there in the world.  It has bothered and intrigued me from time to time for years! </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what to think, especially since Irving has lived in Toronto,and the subject must have come up in Canadian circles.  It is curious that the parallels between the two books are not more widely discussed; the Wikipedia article, for example, cites other influences for Owen Meany but not that one. Clearly there has been no scandal.  Since Irving&#8217;s book was published long before Davies&#8217; death, it seems logical to infer that the borrowing was benign, perhaps homage or perhaps in a &#8220;watch me do this!&#8221; vein that seems consistent with Irving&#8217;s literary acrobatics and might not have been at all disturbing to Davies. I found in some brief online research that Irving listed _The Fifth Business_ among his top ten books. There may be some information that we do not know about a connection between the two authors.</p>
<p>Stoppard&#8217;s debt to Shakespeare is to my mind quite different even if Irving&#8217;s borrowing is to be considered benign. Like Leonard Bernstein with _West Side Story_, and Jane Smiley with _A Thousand Acres_, Stoppard is using material that is so entirely well known as to be instantly recognizable.  The potential problem with the Irving/Davies thing is that Davies&#8217; book is not known by absolutely everybody the way Shakespeare&#8217;s plays are.  To students who are trying to figure out where the line between legitimate use and plagiarism lies, one might say simply that if half the world would catch your reference, it&#8217;s not plagiarism; it&#8217;s allusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Nichol-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Nichol-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading Owen Meany in preparation for my next bookgroup meeting(in Stratford upon Avon UK) with similarities to Fifth Business screaming at me and interfering with my (otherwise lukewarm)enjoyment.  Everything of Owen Meany that isn&#039;t in Irving&#039;s other books seems to come direct from Fifth Business.  Does plagerism matter?  To me, yes, when unacknowledged.  Irving specifically says Own Meany is based on The Tin Drum but doesn&#039;t mention a debt to Davies.  Is it perhaps okay to based on a book in a different language but not from something quite so close to home?  Anyway, so relieved someone else has noticed all the similarities.  Personally, I prefer Robertson Davies any day, given the choice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading Owen Meany in preparation for my next bookgroup meeting(in Stratford upon Avon UK) with similarities to Fifth Business screaming at me and interfering with my (otherwise lukewarm)enjoyment.  Everything of Owen Meany that isn&#8217;t in Irving&#8217;s other books seems to come direct from Fifth Business.  Does plagerism matter?  To me, yes, when unacknowledged.  Irving specifically says Own Meany is based on The Tin Drum but doesn&#8217;t mention a debt to Davies.  Is it perhaps okay to based on a book in a different language but not from something quite so close to home?  Anyway, so relieved someone else has noticed all the similarities.  Personally, I prefer Robertson Davies any day, given the choice</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh Boland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leigh Boland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Fifth Business and just by random chance read Owen Meany immediately following (beginning the next day).  I thought someone was playing a joke on me--the similarities were staggering.  I kept saying to people, &quot;Can you please read these two books and tell me I&#039;m not imagining this? How can this be?&quot; That I ended up reading them back-to-back like that was uncanny.  I assumed that Owen Meany must have been written in homage, as Irving seems too well known to risk getting caught for plagiarism...but maybe a note or dedication in the beginning of the novel would have been warranted.  It seems almost comical; maybe that was the point? A private joke with Davies???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Fifth Business and just by random chance read Owen Meany immediately following (beginning the next day).  I thought someone was playing a joke on me&#8211;the similarities were staggering.  I kept saying to people, &#8220;Can you please read these two books and tell me I&#8217;m not imagining this? How can this be?&#8221; That I ended up reading them back-to-back like that was uncanny.  I assumed that Owen Meany must have been written in homage, as Irving seems too well known to risk getting caught for plagiarism&#8230;but maybe a note or dedication in the beginning of the novel would have been warranted.  It seems almost comical; maybe that was the point? A private joke with Davies???</p>
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		<title>By: flo</title>
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		<dc:creator>flo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fifth Business is taught by some high school teachers; there&#039;s a list they can choose from and some get bored and don&#039;t teach the same one every semester. Gatsby is probably more widely promulgated and that&#039;s as American as freedom pies so I don&#039;t know what that says about Canada.

I&#039;ve never heard of Manticore or World of Wonders being taught probably because you&#039;d need the prologue that is Fifth Business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fifth Business is taught by some high school teachers; there&#8217;s a list they can choose from and some get bored and don&#8217;t teach the same one every semester. Gatsby is probably more widely promulgated and that&#8217;s as American as freedom pies so I don&#8217;t know what that says about Canada.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never heard of Manticore or World of Wonders being taught probably because you&#8217;d need the prologue that is Fifth Business.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Les, I remember that dispute! I don&#039;t see how anyone could view the Stoppard as a &quot;rip-off.&quot; I saw it performed at Stratford once, along with Hamlet, and they had the same actors playing the same roles and wearing the same costumes in both productions. It was SO cool. And I &lt;em&gt;love&lt;/em&gt; what Laura said.

Elswhere -- &quot;I just put it down to being on a John Irving kick&quot; -- ha ha! Actually, that would be an interesting topic for a blog post, or maybe a meme: authors that, when you&#039;ve read one, you&#039;ve read &#039;em all. And congrats on the upcoming move!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Les, I remember that dispute! I don&#8217;t see how anyone could view the Stoppard as a &#8220;rip-off.&#8221; I saw it performed at Stratford once, along with Hamlet, and they had the same actors playing the same roles and wearing the same costumes in both productions. It was SO cool. And I <em>love</em> what Laura said.</p>
<p>Elswhere &#8212; &#8220;I just put it down to being on a John Irving kick&#8221; &#8212; ha ha! Actually, that would be an interesting topic for a blog post, or maybe a meme: authors that, when you&#8217;ve read one, you&#8217;ve read &#8216;em all. And congrats on the upcoming move!</p>
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